howdy
whis is motorheads first album(1975) on parole not listed in
the discography?
Just curious
Shags

Because it was released in 1979 after Motörhead had left EMI / United artists.

Yes that sucks. Who cares about EMI or any other shit? Motorhead is only important. This album is now less worth because of some EMI/United Artist??? Fuck them. This is first album and who cares when it was released or when it was in shops. It is important when it was MADE. And because of EMI this is not regular album? Fuck them, I dont listen to them I listen Motorhead. The same thing (and I dont wnt ot start same old discussion) is with link for this official Motorhead site, it say "Motorhead- Metal Forever". I mean, What fucking metal??!!! We know what Lemmy thinks about it. Is this dude Ace (who run this site) is stupid or something? And it is not only On parole, there are few almost 15 other albums, most of them live albums what should be on dicography section. Example: Birthday party, Live in Manchester, Blitzkreig on birmingham, What's words worth etc etc....

yeah dude, your rants are pretty boring. Same story over and over and over again...

Yes, we know each other what we think. Answer wasn't for you or juggernaut or anyone else, it was for "Shagger1". He is new here.

but "iron fist" to be honest, some things when they are wrong, you dont have any other choice than to repeat and repeat and repeat again and again and again and next 20 years, because there is no other way to fight against stupidity. Example: You see something and you say thats wrong, no one give a damn, and you stop, you say "its fine". What kind of mentality is that? To change something you must fight. Or at least try. Without that mentality, world would be much worse place. We all should fight for something good. When we all see something is wrong and there is no reaction than we must repeat again, again and again... Thats fight for right thing. If you dont agree, fine, we have than different opinions, but you can't stop me from fighting when Im 100 % shore Im right. Thats democracy.

Don't get wound up,no one knows more about Motorhead than all you guys here,and even as a lifelong fan of the band you all constantly suprise me and educate me with your devotion and knowledge.
You would stand side by side at any gig,and no doubt buy each other a beer

That's where you are wrong Nigel, I would buy you at least three!

Are you saying that I am stupid? Or what's the stupid that you are fighting here?
I don't think you really should answer that unless you can do it without calling me, or anybody else stupid.
Anyway it's 6 in the morning and I'm off to work, and I'm leaving here.

Thanks a lot guys
On Parole is a great album but you have answered my question.

I don't like you. Nobody likes you.

Likewise mate!!

Hey man, I got The world is ours vol 2, 2cd audio only. I hope vol 1 will be the same. :P

Oh come on Juggernaut... Like we know each other on this forum from yesterday? You know what I think, read again.

I wonder what Lemmy's thoughts are regarding OP. After all he went back to the studio with a totally changed lineup, that would go on to establish Motorhead and build a solid fanbase, and rerecorded almost every song to release it as the bands official debut. I always wondered how he felt, esp given that OP was deemed commercially unviable by UA until the band had released a few albums that did actually sell a little, and then it was released simple to capitalise on the bands rising poularity.

As per the whole 'heavy metal' thing. Let it go FFS.

In Lemmy's book if I remember correctly, he said On Parole is first album, but in 1977 they didn't know if this On parole will be ever released thats why they recorded almost all songs from On Parole again on "Motorhead". About 'heavy metal' thing; Why don't you tell Lemmy to stop? He started. On every concert "We are Motorhead and we play rnr" remember? I agree with him, but obviously metal fans hate this only. If he doesnt stop, why should I?

This thread reminds me of gambling forums; there will be no conclusion if there was no little argument
I think bands decide when albums are recorded but they are not in power of a release date, that's all. If you guys do a research, OP was first released in 1976 (in some oriental country maybe Japan) and it has had so far about 8 different covers.

I actually agree to (most of) what you wrote. But there is one important point:
You don't fight for something, you're a fanatic. You have your very own opinion of who and what and how Motörhead is. Okay, nothing wrong with that so far. But you seem to have a real problem with other peoples opinions, not fitting yours. And you try to fight or "proselytise" them. And that is as wrong as it gets!

Some people wear Motörhead t-shirts and don't even know the band. So what? Nothing wrong with that.
Some like the music and don't know the songs names. Who cares? Some call Motörhead "Metal". Why not? Some like Motörhead and don't care about Hawkwind, Sam Gopal, TRV and what not. Fine.

I'm a Motörhead fan for 33 years now. I listen to that music every f-word day, I play their songs on bass and guitar, I have don't-know-how-many t-shirts, a life size Lemmy poster hangs on my wall, I've traveled to England to see them live and and and. But STILL I don't act like you, I don't go Cheetah if someone disagrees to my personal thoughts about the band.

Calm down, mate. Accept (<- my big love number two ) that other people see the world with different eyes. They are NOT wrong, anyway.

Oh, one final sentence. This forum is NOT democratic. It is owned and moderated by a real person. If you insult people here, sooner or later the landlords wrath will come over you.

just to throw my pennies worth in
i've seen several interviews with Lem in which
he mentions the band under the heavy metal banner
also i started to listen to this style of music
in 1978 and all the bands of today that are still
around all came under the same genre.
There was no seperating them then motorhead ,maiden,
sabbath,priest and ac/dc all sat together on the
back of my jacket !!! (*sniff*) aarrrhhh the good old days

i don't understand what any of this is about!

listen to bands, not to labels i say

if everyone was strict to some unwritten rules and labels we wouldn't have motorhead nor the any other artist.
so be happy for breaking label rules and not giving a shit, because we would listen to schlagers right now if artists cared for such shit.

so in the end i dont care what lemmy or anyone else says, because that's not why i fell in love with motorhead at all, first i heard was sound and that was it.

i rest my case

When I was very young I only knew there was Rock music and that was all. I liked Dire Straights, Motorhead, Ramones, Beatles, Stones, Zep, Maiden, Helloween, Dead Kennedys, Clapton, Smashing Pumpkins,Pistols, Clash, Ratos De Porao, Raimundos,NY Dolls, Kiss,Purple and many more, and then to me there were only 1 genre: rock. It was about 2 years later when I was about 15 that I learned to divide things more and genres came. There was a time I used to give too much importance to sub-genres but now when asked I only say I like rock. If asked what rock I say: 'classic style'. Enough.

Most of it you are right. Im not democratic in one way. To me, I see Motorhead on the same way like Lemmy see it. He said in his book: Motorhead should be something like MC5/little richard/Hawkwind. And it was. Motorhead grew up from Hawkwind and Pink Fairies and started later in 1979 there own style. Album The world is yours is rnr from 2010, thats how rnr sound in 2010, thats how Lemmy see it, thats how I see it. It is no such problem to see Motorhead on other way, problem is that those guys who see Motorhead on other way are not seeing Motorhead on only right way, like Lemmy see it. And thats problem! They dont respect Lemmy's view on Motorhead genre and style. Thats the thruth! And you can feel that in every metal fan. Im rnr fan and I dont have problem like that, I respect Lemmy very much and agree with him how Motorhead started and what they play. Im mean, How can you listen Motorhead and not respecting and not accepting what Lemmy say about band? What kind of fans are you? Everyone who thinks Motorhead is metal, YOU SUCK!

And remember one thing, and everyone on this forum should remember this. IF YOU ARE AGAINST WHAT IM SAYING ABOUT MOTORHEAD, YOU ARE AGAINST LEMMY! BECAUSE IM DEFENDING WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT HIS OWN BAND! Word by word. And you all know Im right. You cant make this band metal, sorry, thats how it is. And you should let go. They have blues songs too but noone tell them they are blues band. Why? What Im saying here "Iron fist", is what Lemmy saying, these are not only my words. You metal fans should know that you are listening rnr band and not metal band.

And "Iron fist", If moderator comes over me, he should come over Lemmy too. And I hope Tim, or any other member of the band see this sadness, that Im only one who deffends Lemmy here. Shame on you! And fuck you!

Well, I don't think that your gibberish needs any detailed reply. I just wonder why you always need several posts in a row
to disgorge your unsorted thoughts. Absentminded, as it seems.

One thing is sure, though:
Lemmy would totally disapprove your nonsense. He's known for having an open mind, lives tolerance and never tries to be a crusader.
Politeness, as he said many times, is free of charge. You are not even close to where you think you are.
You are lost, aimless, a coward and most likely even mad. A "keyboard-Rambo", nothing else.

This was the last time I'll reply to anything you write in this forum. You're some kind of village-idiot here, anyway.
But I'm looking forward to read more mischief you'll do

Are we on this again? Seriously?

Lemmy doesn't want drones for fans who follow his every single word like it's gospel, he just wants us to have fun and enjoy the music. Personal opinions about what genre the band sits in and so on are just that, personal opinions, and it really doesn't matter if one person says Motorhead are Metal and another says Rock N' Roll because they're just labels to identify the band's approach to music.

In my view, given the band's recent sound over the last 10 to 20 years, they do have a sound that can be considered as Heavy Metal. With the use of lower tunings beyond Eb and also the speed elements on some songs like 'Stagefright/Crash and Burn' which can lead to tags like 'Speed Metal', but again it's merely a system to label as trying to clearly identify and define things is something that society is compelled to do when faced with something that it doesn't quite understand.

Blackadder, you're entitled to an opinion as is everyone else here, but to say that someone with a differing opinion to yours is "Going against Lemmy" or the band is just idiotic. Everyone here is a dedicated MH fan, we've all supported the band via our purchases and also by seeing them live, and just because some of us may differ on what genre to label the band doesn't make anyone more or less of a fan or more right or wrong than anyone else. You need to stop taking everything that Lemmy says as the way things must be, Lemmy's merely stating his own views about how he personally does things and just because we're fans of his band doesn't mean we have to smile and nod along blindly.

Its stuff like this that puts me off coming to this forum. The same drivel repeated every few months. Let's all find something new to talk about.

Gents, time to stop posting here and start posting more at the Brixton gig thread

The only thing what is really stupid from me is to start this discussion again. Thats really stupid. All my tinkin on Motorhead was from 10000 interviews, they work, they work before Motorhead etc, and NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW ony ... And Yes, Im mad, and Im complete idiot. Im very naive you see, I think that anyone can understand Motorhead. Im the biggest idiot of them all. I agree.

Can we start a petition to get Blackadder banned from the boards?

I m totally devoted to Motorhead ...
Lemmy calls Motorhead rock'n'roll ... their songs sounds rock to him... Several songs to me can be called rock'n'roll ... but I m pretty sure, another several fits on Heavy metal genre... that's it... Personally I see Motorhead one of the icons of Heavy metal.
The genre I really love
cheers

You are different you see. You have your personal view BUT you respect Lemmy and how he see the band. There are some who dont give a shit about how Lemmy see the band. The band he made. The music he made. That was problem from my side of the story. "Iron fist" said something about Lemmy's tolerance and open mind. Lemmy is business man too, he cant talk like me here because he would lose many many "fans" and thats bad for business, but I dont think he will disagree with me. I hope. I know that if someone lives all his life in some belief what Motorhead is and all that, and than I with arguments here show that Motorhead is not what they/he thought it is, than they will attack. Because if this kind of fan except this what Im saying he would except that he lived all his life in wrong believe what Motorhead is. Of course we can talk, what Motorhead is, in the way, WHO is most qualified to say what Motorhead is? I say Lemmy. Some maybe "Iron fist" will say that he is most qualified? And of course because I see Motorhead like Lemmy and that Im idiot, Mad, or I dont know... If Im idiot, mad, etc.... What is Lemmy than? I see Motorhead on the same way like he. (This last question is for "Iron fist") Lemmy is smart man, if he isnt he wouldnt survive so many years with the band. He must be tolerant, sometimes even when he doesnt want that, he would lost his business, life, Motorhead. And some other thing, I have some thought personal, I cant be shore by this but it is a thought, when Lemmy say some stuff like some songs are just gibberish (lyrics) and stuff like that, as well as he dont like on interviews to talk much on personal stuff etc... what he wrote etc... I think he doesnt want to talk on some subjects because he knows he could be misunderstood and thats why he say "I only want to shake my ass". Man who wrote great lyrics and thoughts like in Orgasmatron, 1916 and many others, it is hard to believe that he only want to shake his ass. That he not thinks about human kind, life etc... He is smart, he knows what many people can undersand and what they can't. He knows how people think, most of them. Problem what I have is that Im gonna tell you thruth, dont care if this thruth is gonna question all your life beliefs. Is that smart? Maybe not? Is that tolerant? No, but it is honest. Maybe sometimes is better to not be honest, to shut up. Thats maybe how sometimes Lemmy did? Thats why he is tolerant like "Iron fist" say and so called "heav metal". But I think he stoped that in small way but enaf, and we can hear that before every concert. Maybe some day when Motorhead is over he will say what he really thinks on this subject, answer with no tolerance. Maybe some people will be very disappointed than. They make album in '87 rock n roll, maybe they will make album 'heavy metal'.You think? Until than we will have are own thoughts, who understand good, who doesnt fine again. But like I said before, Im very stupid man, I know, I care so much what some asshole thinks about Motorhead and try to explaine something. You cant explane everything to everyone, that only stupid man like me can believe. End of disscusion from me on this theme. Cheers.

Totally agree.


But after all, I never really care for "labels". I'm not worry about it at all.

i still don't understand what the hell anyone is saying on this thread

On Parole or the sessions which was later to become on parole was recorded in 1975 on united artists label but shelved because the label didnt believe it would be a commercial success or was unhappy with the material. A couple of years later and a change in personnel the band re - recorded those songs which then became the first Motorhead album. When Motorhead started making it big, United Artists jumped on the success of the band and released the 75 session as On Parole effectively the same album as the later release Motorhead. So no real need for it to be in the discography. Hope this makes some sense. Forget the rest of the gibberish on this thread lol Aside from MotorLaws comments who answered your question.

I really don't wish to open this up again, so may regret this, but check Lemmy at 5.05 ish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnzr2tPCxMQ

Yes, I know about this, we had disccusion about this link before, on one other forum. And we agreed that we saw many interviews, which I some of them placed here, that Lemmy is saying very clear: "I know people are callig us metal, we are not metal we are rnr...". And we agreed that Beatles and Megadeth or Rolling stones and Cannibal corpse are not same genre. Why Lemmy said this, I dont know. Did he say this somewhere else too, who knows, but many more times he said that they are not metal and you know it man. Now we can talk why he said this? Maybe he didnt wanted to offense his metal fans, which there is no small number.. it could be bad for bussines or he doesnt understand genres, which I dont believe... or something else? This statement was about 16 years ago, I heard something similar from him in 1984.. But last 10 years or somethng like that he is very clean about what Motorhead is. There are only two logical conclusions: First He didnt want to go in some way against metal fans because it was bad for bussines or he wanted to tell us that mentally and musicly cannibal corpse, napalm death etc.. are the same as Beatles? I dont think so... Rnr and metal are not the same and we all know that. He obviously had some reason to tell that. It doesnt matter if you think Motorhead is metal or rock but noone on this planet gonna persuade me that Rolling stones and Cannibal Corpse are the same genre. Mentally rnr and metal are not the same.

Quiet, you. Everyone already knows your opinion on this. You add nothing to this discussion. You've never added anything of substance to any discussion.

Okay, if you can't see what Lemmy is saying I'll leave it at that. You clearly are too stubborn to converse with. Cheers

I couldn't agree more, mate! That blabladder-dude is most annoying...

I think metal fans are most annoying because they do not want to understand. One more thing (the new thing) about this link. What Lemmy did here is very smart, I would do the same thing. I remember his interview it was somewhere in 1996, because his was talking about new song "Them not me" from Overnight sensation. He was interviewed from dude I know, his name was Pishta from band Hard time. This was support band on three Motorhead concerts. He ask Lemmy: "Do you feel yourself as some bikers band?" Lemmy: "No. We are musical group I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE SCHOOL TEACHER, BIKER OR ANYBODY ELSE, I only WANT TO GET MORE PEOPLE AS I CAN and I never had a bike...". So Lemmy says; He dont care if you are blues fan, jazz fan, metal fan, rock fan etc etc... He want them all! Motorhead is not his life only, it is his BUSSINES too! So we know what he thinks about his own band, but I saw in some interviews that IF HE SEE THAT GUY WHO IS INTERVIEW HIM IS METAL FAN he will not insist on rnr thing. It is bad for a bussines. He said two weeks ago in one interview which was on this site, that he think 'anyone who listen metal and if he listen something else the other guys think he is sissy.. and thats very stupid' He knows if he insist to much on this rnr thing that some of the metal fans (who dont want to listen nothing but metal, i hope you met in your life those kind of guys) will stop listen Motorhead and thats BAD FOR A BUSSINES. Now these days he dont give a fuck, and Im very happy about it. He finaly dont have a need to think about bussines anymore because of his age and reputation, thats why he insist on thruth, on rnr thing. But this two, three metal fans on this forum doesnt see that, and they dont want to see that. Maybe they think that Beatles and Napalm death is same genre or Oasis and Sepultura hahahaha... Im sorry metal fans if you feel cheated in some way but thats not my fault, fault is yours, you dont accept what Motorhead is. AND I DID NOT STARTED THIS THEME AGAIN!

actually, few days ago i finished with second reading of white line fever and there was one thing that i noticed exclusively because of this endless fighting about what is motorhead and that is this:

in one part of book lemmy himself says that he doesn't get it why poeple bash metal, because it's one of best/purest (don't remember exact word) forms of rock'n'roll.

so i think it preaty much explains his statement on this theme


but still, with or without his words, this is probably most pointless fight ever, we can go in circle forever. there will always be someone that will say that lemmy stands for rock n roll, and then some other dude will say something like i did the start of my post and on and on and on

POINTLESS

I know about this statement too. But this one statement in this book against few others, which is fight against logic. Dont forget, some parts of Lemmys book were writen in 80s, later those parts were put in this book by publisher. This statement was from 80s (1984?) and was like this statement from middle 90s. It is only logical explenation that those statements were BUSSINES statements in those days what I wrote in my last post. Because you cant say that Rolling stones and Cannibal Corpse are same genre or Beatles and Napalm death or Oasis and Obituary etc etc etc... Thats only logical explanation. Anyone who heard that statement cant believe in that, but fights what we have over this is in some little way Lemmys fault too, because throu that statements he wants all fans from all genres to connect in one Motorhead fans because of bussines reasons, and if you cant see that ROLLING STONES AND CANNIBAL CORPSE are not same genres I CANT HELP YOU. On the other hand, Lemmy is human too, he can make mistakes in his statements too. But we can say; Are those two/three statements are thruth or his all life statement that Motorhead is rnr and in many interviews not metal? Thats the same thing what I got fight about few albums; You have 10 songs, 2 of them are metal, is this album metal? What about other 8 songs? Lemmy can make mistake too, or his all life beliefs and lyrics in songs, 1000000 interviews etc etc... doesnt make sense. And I dont want to belive that. Those statements in my belief were bussines statements to make more people Motorhead fans from all genres and subgenres.

And in this his statement he said that about metal but he didnt say Motorhead is metal exactly did he?

no you probably cant say that cannibal corpse
and the beatles are the same genre,
but you can say that motorhead,maiden ac/dc priest
are surely? but people say maiden and priest are metal
but 'head and /dc are rock never to be mixed up?
i dont get it! as i've said before
(many times yawn!) they used to sit side by side
on my denim in the 80's

rick, don't feed him! He'll babble only more nonsense...

Hello Rick! Yes thats what Im talking about. To give you answer to your question look up all my last posts on other themes. You need to know difference of what is rnr and all his periods (rock, hard rock etc) and what is metal. I think you dont understand that but I talk about that many times before. Just one hint; The cheap music doesnt mean anything. Real art, real rock bands means they are not only fun they are more deep than that. It all came from late 60s. In rnr, music and mentality 'way of thinkin' is one, you cant split that, thats art, that mean something. For example see lyrics from the songs: 1916, orgasamtron, March or die, dont need religion etc etc.. it is all not just fun just music, it is mentality, "way of thinkin" on people, life, planet, nature bla bla... and on the other hand you have many metal bands with teenager childish stuff about: hell, devils, horror movies etc etc.... Mentality "way of thinkin" is rnr. Music, rnr, is not only riff on guitar, it is much more, and it is different than metal. I always say metal is for the kids, rock is for grown up. The most weird thing is that noone ask how Milles Davis can be Jazz in 80s, and he proggresed same as Motorhead in rnr, last studio album is rnr from 2010, thats how rnr sounds in 2010. Why is so hard to understand this and with Jazz is not for example? Thats very weird. But this is some other theme. I talked about before about stealing stuff; metal from rnr: like leather jackets, long hair and other ideas.. everything from that was before metal. And if I have leather jacket many people will think "he is metal", thats what I was talking about few months back about "metal propaganda" where metal fans and musicians took many things from rnr and saying for many rock bands that they are metal, and they are not. Leather jackets came from James Dean from the 50s, long hair from the 60s, and now if I have long hair and leather jacket most of them will say on the street "look, a metal fan" and I dont like metal at all. Do you understand now? Similar thing happened with rock bands. Some of them. On 'way of thinkin' many of that you can see from lyrics and you can compare them, all songs from Motorhead, to all songs from some metal band... It is very very different. Metal band doesnt play: Louie Louie, Dont waste your time, whorehouse blues, you better run, hoochie coochie man etc etc etc.... Your problem is I think, you dont know really what rnr is and what metal is. I know some metal fans, they always said to me that Motorhead is not metal to them. What is rnr and what is metal we talked about that before, if you cant see which is which than how can you understand what Im talking about? This is realy some other theme. But nevermind, Cheers!

hahahaha... from now on, you are my idol, I respect you so much

i fink rocknrull iz stoopid. hevvy Metuhl rulz! Lemmy is a stoopid old mahn hoo dusnt kno what is metal! boo rocknrull! METUHL 4 LIF!

also, teh wurld iz ours 3 should next be releesed in only dvd/cd box and not sepret. who agree?

hahahaha.... You are my idol too from now on

Why such bad spelling?

Why such bad spelling?
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It's a joke, mate. I'm just picking on Blackadder.

Ah!...
I think I'm part Vulcan,I often miss humour.

Actually, my feelings are a bit hurt that you assumed I talked that way! Or held those opinions, for that matter.

When Motorhead started out, nothing was called 'heavy metal' or 'metal.' Back then it fell under the 'hard rock' label along with groups like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Heart etc. For those who remember when the term 'heavy metal' started getting used, those same 3 groups I mentioned were now called 'heavy metal'.
Anyway, some labels actually hurt the band once they are associated with them. Remember 'grunge,' 'alternative,' etc. Anyway labels are a form of marketing and most professional musicians/rock stars that I know, don't like being called by what people or the record companies have labeled them.

No offence ment mate.
We've had one or two here that did.
Like I say I often misjudge humour

Labels are not only form of marketing, at least they were not before 80s. Rnr is not just some label for marketing.. Labels are different mentality too. I told about example Rolling Stones and Napalm Death. Genre's are not just some labels, and Motorhead and rnr is not just some marketing fun, its art. Maybe Britney or Rhianna are just fun, very bad one, and just labels... But about other stuff you wrote I agree. And those groups you said "they are now called heavy metal", well I dont call them like that and I think many companies, people's on this planet dont called them like that either. Those who called them like that are companies, people, magazines who are metal, or connected in some way on that genre.

@Blackadder, your posts make my eyes hurt mate. Admit defeat and let it go before you implode in a puff of white smoke and indignation

The defeat is all yours mate. But you dont see it or you dont want to see it. Or you just dont understand at all.

reminds me of that joke with the wrong-way driver...