Hello Rick! Yes thats what Im talking about. To give you answer to your question look up all my last posts on other themes. You need to know difference of what is rnr and all his periods (rock, hard rock etc) and what is metal. I think you dont understand that but I talk about that many times before. Just one hint; The cheap music doesnt mean anything. Real art, real rock bands means they are not only fun they are more deep than that. It all came from late 60s. In rnr, music and mentality 'way of thinkin' is one, you cant split that, thats art, that mean something. For example see lyrics from the songs: 1916, orgasamtron, March or die, dont need religion etc etc.. it is all not just fun just music, it is mentality, "way of thinkin" on people, life, planet, nature bla bla... and on the other hand you have many metal bands with teenager childish stuff about: hell, devils, horror movies etc etc.... Mentality "way of thinkin" is rnr. Music, rnr, is not only riff on guitar, it is much more, and it is different than metal. I always say metal is for the kids, rock is for grown up. The most weird thing is that noone ask how Milles Davis can be Jazz in 80s, and he proggresed same as Motorhead in rnr, last studio album is rnr from 2010, thats how rnr sounds in 2010. Why is so hard to understand this and with Jazz is not for example? Thats very weird. But this is some other theme. I talked about before about stealing stuff; metal from rnr: like leather jackets, long hair and other ideas.. everything from that was before metal. And if I have leather jacket many people will think "he is metal", thats what I was talking about few months back about "metal propaganda" where metal fans and musicians took many things from rnr and saying for many rock bands that they are metal, and they are not. Leather jackets came from James Dean from the 50s, long hair from the 60s, and now if I have long hair and leather jacket most of them will say on the street "look, a metal fan" and I dont like metal at all. Do you understand now? Similar thing happened with rock bands. Some of them. On 'way of thinkin' many of that you can see from lyrics and you can compare them, all songs from Motorhead, to all songs from some metal band... It is very very different. Metal band doesnt play: Louie Louie, Dont waste your time, whorehouse blues, you better run, hoochie coochie man etc etc etc.... Your problem is I think, you dont know really what rnr is and what metal is. I know some metal fans, they always said to me that Motorhead is not metal to them. What is rnr and what is metal we talked about that before, if you cant see which is which than how can you understand what Im talking about? This is realy some other theme. But nevermind, Cheers!